“And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them.” -John 17:22
Behold the superlative liberality of the Lord Jesus, for he hath given us his all. Although a tithe of his possessions would have made a universe of angels rich beyond all thought, yet was he not content until he had given us all that he had. It would have been surprising grace if he had allowed us to eat the crumbs of his bounty beneath the table of his mercy; but he will do nothing by halves, he makes us sit with him and share the feast. Had he given us some small pension from his royal coffers, we should have had cause to love him eternally; but no, he will have his bride as rich as himself, and he will not have a glory or a grace in which she shall not share. He has not been content with less than making us joint heirs with himself, so that we might have equal possessions. He has emptied all his estate into the coffers of the Church, and hath all things common with his redeemed. There is not one room in his house the key of which he will withhold from his people. He gives them full liberty to take all that he hath to be their own; he loves them to make free with his treasure, and appropriate as much as they can possibly carry. The boundless fulness of his all sufficiency is as free to the believer as the air he breathes. Christ hath put the flagon of his love and grace to the believer’s lip, and bidden him drink on for ever; for could he drain it, he is welcome to do so, and as he cannot exhaust it, he is bidden to drink abundantly, for it is all his own. What truer proof of fellowship can heaven or earth afford?
Charles Haddon Spurgeon (1834-92)
I have the hard copy of Mr. Spurgeon’s “Morning and Evening,” which gives a devotional for each morning and evening. It is my favorite.
This post started when I lost my Bible. I still haven’t found it and everyone has looked for it.
What does the loss of a Bible have to do with the Battle of Armageddon? Keep reading and you’ll know.
I put my Bible (and planner) down somewhere at work and it disappeared. I wasn’t too disappointed because we have Bibles all over the place where I work. You see, we hand them out to anyone who wants one (We give them the complete NLT…not my favorite but good enough).
I had lost an NASB of pretty good quality.
You know how you put something down somewhere, it “disappears,” and you give up looking for it because you figure it will eventually show up. That’s where I was for a couple of days and a weekend.
(Ignore the picture above. It has nothing in common with this post except the word “disappear.”)
What does the vanishing Bible have to do with the Battle of Armageddon or an Egyptian king? Keep reading and you might make a discovery.
People donate Bibles to the place I work. They come in all shapes, sizes, condition, and translation. I opened a file cabinet less than a week after I lost my Bible and there it was, the donated Bible that had intrigued me when it came in. I had forgotten about it, but now I was glad to see it. It has become my new work Bible. I will note the name of the Bible in the footnotes. It is one thick hombre.
My “find”
It is a King James Bible and there is an interesting work in it. How accurate the work is I don’t know. But it dates most major Biblical events; things like the creation and the Exodus. I’ve never heard of it before I saw this one.
I have always been curious about the identity of the Pharaoh that Moses saw as an adult. The 1965 version of Halley’s handbook gives different possibilities about those who may have oppressed the Hebrews and about the pharaohs who may have denied Moses’ request to “let my people go.”
Halley notes Pharaohs who may have met in the duel over the Hebrews. They are Amenhotep II (his mummy is at Thebes), and Merneptah (his mummy is in Cairo). In fact, Halley lists these two as the “two leading opinions.”(1) Dating systems put these pharaohs around 200 years apart with about 10 pharaohs between them.
I found 53 possible exodus candidates in only two other sources (if one includes the Hyksos pharaohs…a group of outsiders that invaded Egypt). I didn’t have to look far to find my 53 (also my age). Imagine if I had really studied this thing.
Mr. Halley writes “If the exodus was under Merneptah, then Rameses II was the great oppressor of Israel, whose daughter brought up Moses. (2)
“Thus Moses was brought up either under Thothmes III (Mr. Halley has spelled Thutmose III two different ways) or under Rameses II, both of whom were among Egypt’s most famous kings.” (3)
To repeat, Mr. Halley writes that “Moses led Israel out of Egypt either under Amenhotep II, or under Merneptah. (4)
So, the Hollywood version that is shown on network stations every Easter is wrong according to most scholars. The Pharaoh in the movie (Yul Brenner) is Ramses II, not a good possibility.
Halley writes that the one “thought to have been the Oppressor of Israel” is Thotmes III (also known as Thutmose III), Queen Hatshepsut’s half brother (Other sources call Hatshepsut Thutmose III’s stepmother and aunt).(5) In any case, she was “regent” the first 20 years of his reign: and “though he despised her, she completely dominated him.”(6)
“After her death, he ruled alone 30 years. He was the greatest conqueror in Egyptian history.” (7)
Halley states “His mummy is at Cairo.” (8)
This would mean that Thutmose the III was pharaoh when Moses was a baby.
Now you are probably wondering what this has to do with my post title. Hang in there and follow this rabbit trail with me….please?
Very interesting is the fact, again mentioned by Mr. Halley, that “Whichever it was, the MUMMIES OF ALL FOUR have been found. So we may now see the actual face of the Pharaoh of Moses’ day, and with whom Moses himself had intimate dealings.” (9)
I’ve always been interested in the subject and this Bible that I had run across might lend some insight because of its dating of events.
You can probably guess what I did.
I went to Exodus 2 to see when Moses was born according to my new find. (10)
The date given for Moses birth was March 6, 1542 BC. (11)
Mr. Frank R. Klassen of Laguna Hills California must have spent years studying the Bible and putting dates to events. We won’t know if he was right until we get to heaven. I’m sure they have the records up there.
Anyway, I looked to see who the pharaoh was in 1542 B.C., according to Mr. Klassen.
If you are still looking for the connection with Armageddon, I’ll get there.
One problem is that different scholars give different dates for the reigns of the pharaohs.
In many dating opinions, 1542 BC would make Ahmose the pharaoh who knew Moses as an infant. Or it was one of the last pharaohs of the 17th dynasty which was the last dynasty of the Middle Kingdom. If this is true, it depends on how many pharaohs Egypt went through while Moses was in the desert.
Confused? Ok, let’s get to the BIG QUESTION.
I went to Exodus 5 for the BIG QUESTION. When did Moses take the people out of Egypt? If I could find out the “when,” I could find out the “who.”
According to Mr. Klassen, it was on April 15th, 1462 BC, which in almost all Egyptian dating systems puts Thutmose III, “the greatest conqueror in Egyptian history” as Halley has stated, as the one who faced the adult Moses. (12)
That would mean that while Moses was in the desert all of those years, at least two pharaohs came and went, Thutmose II and the famous Hatshepsut.
So, Moses “met” two pharaohs. The pharaoh he saw as an adult wasn’t the pharaoh whose home he was taken into. This is almost certain no matter what dating system one uses.
Now comes the interesting part. Drum roll please. If you’ve waded through this far, you deserve some interesting stuff.
If Thutmose III was the man who had his heart hardened – who wouldn’t let the Hebrews go – then there is an interesting fact you should know.
There have been three major “Battles of Armageddon” in history. The second is recorded in 2 Kings 23: 29-30. It is generally regarded as having taken place in 609 B.C.
The third occurred in 1918. You can read about it here. (13)
It is something about the first “Battle of Armageddon” that is the interesting fact. It was fought and won by Thutmose III, Egypt’s “greatest conqueror.” You can read about the battle here. (14)
Interestingly, this first “Battle of Armageddon” is described as the first battle ever recorded in detail. Google “first recorded battle in history” and see what you find. (15)
I think that Thutmose III’s scribe exaggerated the victory a bit.
Embellished or not, Thutmose III is highly respected. Type in “The Napoleon of Egypt” into a Google word search and you will find something like this:
“Thutmose III The Napoleon of Ancient Egypt 1479 – 1425 BC. Some believe Rameses II was the greatest Egyptian ruler but this not true; he spent Egypt’s wealth on massive building projects where as Thutmose III actually created Egypt’s wealth. Thutmose III possessed the archetypal qualities of a great ruler.” (16)
He created the largest empire that Egypt had ever seen. (17)
Here is where I take a leap. I think, unlike most scholars, that Thutmose III was the pharaoh that hardened his heart and would not let the Hebrews go.
Why do I think this? Well, it fits Mr. Klassen’s Calendarized Study Bible perfectly.
Mr. Klassen puts 80 years between the birth of Moses and his taking of the Hebrews out of Egypt. Eighty is a match with the Bible.
This is not my only reason.
If you were God, who would you have Moses face? I’m not God and I don’t know but I’ll take a guess. I think God would choose the greatest conquering pharaoh of all time. (I’ll get comments on this statement and I welcome them.)
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Thutmose III fought and won the first recorded battle in history.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Thutmose III was the winning leader of the first battle of Armageddon.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that two men who spent their entire lives working on dating systems came up with dates that would put Thutmose III in the important role of the pharaoh of the exodus.
Mr. Klassen isn’t the only one whose dates fit Thutmose III.
Have you heard of J.R. Church? He worked his entire life on a dating system. He is one of my favorite Bible teachers who specialized in Bible prophecy. He died last year.
The last book that he wrote, Daniel Reveals The Bloodline of the Anti-Christ, J.R. has a timeline in it (in the back). It is very elaborate but doesn’t mention the Egyptian pharaohs. You can get more info on J.R.’s book here.
He put the date for the exodus at 1492/1491 on Nisan 15. This date puts Thutmose III closer to the adult Moses than the other three major possibilities.
Did I mention that Thutmose III was the first pharaoh called Pharaoh? (18) It means “Great House.”
To see a good picture of Thutmose III, you can go here. (19)
After a study like this, I have many questions, but a main one.
Why haven’t those who’ve studied these things, the real scholars, come to the same conclusion? Maybe I’m missing something and would be glad to hear it from any of you.
There are many speculations. There are a few You Tube videos that identify “Firoun” as the pharaoh during “Moses time.”
I looked at the list of all pharaohs known from the 1st to the 31st dynasty and saw no name that was close to Firoun. Maybe I missed it, but I looked twice and didn’t see it. The closest thing I could find relating to Egyptian pharaohs is the word firon. (20)
In my short study, I didn’t find anyone else who had narrowed it to Thutmose III. I’m sure there are others out there who have had the same thought. If you find one, please let me know.
I didn’t go that in depth, but I did find a source that narrows the possibility down to 2, Thutmose III being one of them. (21)
There you have it; a theory from a curious person.
If you are ever in Cairo, stop and see the mummy of Thutmose III and I think you will be facing the man who spoke with a grown Moses.
If you want to save yourself the time and air fare check here. (22) You see, Thutmose III’s mummy was damaged by grave robbers. It was “so ruined that later mummy makers used wooden splints tied to what was left of the body to reinforce it.” (23)
Lastly, there is another Battle of Armageddon coming. It’s referenced in Rev. 16:16.
But, that’s a subject for another time.
Now, if I can only find my lost Bible…
Chris Reimers (24)
P.S. I could have saved myself some time by Googling “Thutmose III and the exodus.” But then I wouldn’t have learned anything. I did the google search as a final check as soon as I finished this draft. I found one extensive study that agreed with me. (25) Scanning it I didn’t see the link with Megiddo, however. And I didn’t see J. R. Church or Mr. Klassen mentioned. Their dating systems helped me form my conclusions.
I’m glad I did my own work, though it is not as extensive as the only one I could find with the same conclusion at which I arrived. Steve Rudd feels that the evidence is overwhelming that Thutmose III was the pharaoh of the exodus. Although someone has been here before, I’ve enjoyed a great journey and maybe added a jot or tittle. Click here to see Mr. Rudd’s work and see a better picture of Thutmose III.
It is July 27th, 2013. I am looking at a more recent edition of Halley’s Handbook, published in 2000. In this version, Merneptah (1236) is not a possibility for being the Pharaoh that Moses saw. Here is a quote from the 2000 edition:
“On his stela he (Merneptah) mentions having defeated Israel – ‘Israel is laid waste, his seed is not’ – indicating that Israel was already in the land of Canaan.”
Thus, the two editions do not agree.
They do agree that Amenhotep II is a possible candidate for the pharaoh whom Moses saw.
Rameses II is mentioned in the first 1965 edition as being a possibility of being the pharaoh Moses was raised under. The 2000 edition states “Some scholars consider him to be the pharaoh of the Exodus.”
In the 2000 edition, Thutmose III is “thought to be one of the oppressors of Israel.”
Despite what wiki states about Rameses II being the greatest pharaoh in history, both versions of Halley’s Handbook states that Thutmose III was the greatest.
(I saw this first in Mar. 2020. As far as I can tell, it was posted in 2016. My original post was put up in 2012. There are a few other articles and videos which have been posted after my post.)
“Thutmose III reigned from 1479 BCE to 1425 BCE according to the Low Chronology of Ancient Egypt.” This wiki date fits not only both Halley’s Handbooks that I have, but also the Bible that I feature in this post (April 15, 1462 B..C.).
Most Biblical sources put the date near this for good reason. The 2000 edition pictured here makes a case for 1446 B.C. It has good reason. It states:
“Since Solomon began to rule in 970 B.C. (Mr. Klassen puts the date at 983 B.C.) the fourth year of his reign would be 966 B.C. The text says that the Exodus from Egypt took place 480 years before this; that gives 1446 B.C.as the approximated dated of the Exodus.”
This is how Mr. Klassen gets his date of 1462. Either way, the dates correspond with the wiki dates on Thutmose III.
Is wiki the ultimate source? Of course it isn’t. The Bible is our guide and God chooses not to identify, specifically, the pharaohs during the birth of Moses and during the time of the Exodus. Therefore, we must speculate. That is what I have done here.
If you are interested, you can come to your own conclusions. The above post shares mine.
I must mention two things before I share facts with you.
The first is that I must give credit to my friend Manny who sent me the link where I got this information. Manny has a blog called Kairos Now and you can read a great series he has just completed. You can get to his web site by looking at my blogroll and clicking on Kairos Now. Manny told me that his goal in the series “is to cause people to consider the high cost we must pay to protect children from horrors of this evil world.” I highly recommend it.
The link to the hunger information that Manny shared with me will follow.
Second, there will be no picture of starving people on this post. Unless you have been hungry yourself, no picture can communicate what it’s like. I don’t neglect the picture because a starving person is difficult to look at. We are either hardened or softened by the pictures. Anyone who is softened already needs no picture, just the facts. Anyone who is hardened by pictures of poor people needs to read the Biblical story of Lazarus (Luke 16:19…)
Here are some of the facts:
We’ll start with American children since they are closest to home.
20% or more of the child population in 40 states and D.C. lived in insecure (low food security and very low food security) households in 2010.
In 2010, 16.4 million or approximately 22 percent of children in the U.S. lived in poverty.
Think of that last fact. Nearly 1/4th of American children live in poverty. I know that our definition of poverty is nothing like the definition in many other places in the world.
To see other facts about hungry children in America, go to:
Asia and the Pacific region is home to over half the world’s population and nearly two thirds of the world’s hungry people.
(Source: FAO news release, 2010)
Women make up a little over half of the world’s population, but they account for over 60 percent of the world’s hungry.
(Source: Strengthening efforts to eradicate hunger…, ECOSOC, 2007)
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65 percent of the world’s hungry live in only seven countries: India, China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan and Ethiopia.
(Source: FAO news release, 2010)
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Under nutrition contributes to five million deaths of children under five each year in developing countries.
(Source: Under five deaths by cause, UNICEF, 2006)
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One out of four children – roughly 146 million – in developing countries is underweight
(Source: The State of the World’s Children, UNICEF, 2007)
More than 70 percent of the world’s underweight children (aged five or less) live in just 10 countries, with more than 50 per cent located in South Asia alone;
(Source: Progress for Children: A Report Card on Nutrition, UNICEF, 2006)
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10.9 million children under five die in developing countries each year. Malnutrition and hunger-related diseases cause 60 percent of the deaths;
(Source: The State of the World’s Children, UNICEF, 2007)
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Iron deficiency is the most prevalent form of malnutrition worldwide, affecting an estimated 2 billion people. Eradicating iron deficiency can improve national productivity levels by as much as 20 percent.
(Source: World Health Organization, WHO Global Database on Anemia)
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Iodine deficiency is the greatest single cause of mental retardation and brain damage, affecting 1.9 billion people worldwide. It can easily be prevented by adding iodine to salt.
(Source: World Nutrition Situation 5th report, UN Standing Committee on Nutrition2005)
These are just some of the facts.
Many use these facts for their own gain. I would call these people evil.
But the facts are the facts and they aren’t pretty.
So why are so many people interested in hunger? I think it’s because of the economic situation worldwide. More importantly, I think it’s because of the spiritual situation worldwide. These days even the wealthiest fear hunger.
What does the Bible say about the issue?
On a personal level, Jesus told us not to worry about what we are to eat. (Matt. 6:31, 32)
On a humanitarian level, Jesus talked about those who are “blessed of my Father:”
“For I was hungry and you gave me meat: I was thirsty and you gave me drink…” (Matt. 25: 34, 35)
I appreciate that Manny took the time to look up the facts for me. It means he also cares about the subject. It is a difficult subject, but it is one we must consider.
Even though I have backed off on blogging, I get the typical hits by people doing searches on particular items.
It is interesting to me that a post I put up about 2010 hunger numbers, continues to get many hits. There are many who are going hungry in our world today, many of them in America.
I just saw a news report last night that talked about American kids going hungry. If many American kids are going hungry, imagine what it must be like worldwide.
I will do a post on the subject soon. If any of you have information on recent hunger percentages, please leave them here.
Jerry and I have met online and Jerry is a Christian. He tells me that things are similar in his country. Many people call themselves Christians but don’t act like Christians. He also tells me that many are believing in different parts of the world.
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THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON AND THUTMOSE III
June 23, 2012This post started when I lost my Bible. I still haven’t found it and everyone has looked for it.
What does the loss of a Bible have to do with the Battle of Armageddon? Keep reading and you’ll know.
I put my Bible (and planner) down somewhere at work and it disappeared. I wasn’t too disappointed because we have Bibles all over the place where I work. You see, we hand them out to anyone who wants one (We give them the complete NLT…not my favorite but good enough).
I had lost an NASB of pretty good quality.
You know how you put something down somewhere, it “disappears,” and you give up looking for it because you figure it will eventually show up. That’s where I was for a couple of days and a weekend.
(Ignore the picture above. It has nothing in common with this post except the word “disappear.”)
What does the vanishing Bible have to do with the Battle of Armageddon or an Egyptian king? Keep reading and you might make a discovery.
People donate Bibles to the place I work. They come in all shapes, sizes, condition, and translation. I opened a file cabinet less than a week after I lost my Bible and there it was, the donated Bible that had intrigued me when it came in. I had forgotten about it, but now I was glad to see it. It has become my new work Bible. I will note the name of the Bible in the footnotes. It is one thick hombre.
It is a King James Bible and there is an interesting work in it. How accurate the work is I don’t know. But it dates most major Biblical events; things like the creation and the Exodus. I’ve never heard of it before I saw this one.
I have always been curious about the identity of the Pharaoh that Moses saw as an adult. The 1965 version of Halley’s handbook gives different possibilities about those who may have oppressed the Hebrews and about the pharaohs who may have denied Moses’ request to “let my people go.”
Halley notes Pharaohs who may have met in the duel over the Hebrews. They are Amenhotep II (his mummy is at Thebes), and Merneptah (his mummy is in Cairo). In fact, Halley lists these two as the “two leading opinions.”(1) Dating systems put these pharaohs around 200 years apart with about 10 pharaohs between them.
I found 53 possible exodus candidates in only two other sources (if one includes the Hyksos pharaohs…a group of outsiders that invaded Egypt). I didn’t have to look far to find my 53 (also my age). Imagine if I had really studied this thing.
Mr. Halley writes “If the exodus was under Merneptah, then Rameses II was the great oppressor of Israel, whose daughter brought up Moses. (2)
“Thus Moses was brought up either under Thothmes III (Mr. Halley has spelled Thutmose III two different ways) or under Rameses II, both of whom were among Egypt’s most famous kings.” (3)
To repeat, Mr. Halley writes that “Moses led Israel out of Egypt either under Amenhotep II, or under Merneptah. (4)
So, the Hollywood version that is shown on network stations every Easter is wrong according to most scholars. The Pharaoh in the movie (Yul Brenner) is Ramses II, not a good possibility.
Halley writes that the one “thought to have been the Oppressor of Israel” is Thotmes III (also known as Thutmose III), Queen Hatshepsut’s half brother (Other sources call Hatshepsut Thutmose III’s stepmother and aunt).(5) In any case, she was “regent” the first 20 years of his reign: and “though he despised her, she completely dominated him.”(6)
“After her death, he ruled alone 30 years. He was the greatest conqueror in Egyptian history.” (7)
Halley states “His mummy is at Cairo.” (8)
This would mean that Thutmose the III was pharaoh when Moses was a baby.
Now you are probably wondering what this has to do with my post title. Hang in there and follow this rabbit trail with me….please?
Very interesting is the fact, again mentioned by Mr. Halley, that “Whichever it was, the MUMMIES OF ALL FOUR have been found. So we may now see the actual face of the Pharaoh of Moses’ day, and with whom Moses himself had intimate dealings.” (9)
I’ve always been interested in the subject and this Bible that I had run across might lend some insight because of its dating of events.
You can probably guess what I did.
I went to Exodus 2 to see when Moses was born according to my new find. (10)
The date given for Moses birth was March 6, 1542 BC. (11)
Mr. Frank R. Klassen of Laguna Hills California must have spent years studying the Bible and putting dates to events. We won’t know if he was right until we get to heaven. I’m sure they have the records up there.
Anyway, I looked to see who the pharaoh was in 1542 B.C., according to Mr. Klassen.
If you are still looking for the connection with Armageddon, I’ll get there.
One problem is that different scholars give different dates for the reigns of the pharaohs.
In many dating opinions, 1542 BC would make Ahmose the pharaoh who knew Moses as an infant. Or it was one of the last pharaohs of the 17th dynasty which was the last dynasty of the Middle Kingdom. If this is true, it depends on how many pharaohs Egypt went through while Moses was in the desert.
Confused? Ok, let’s get to the BIG QUESTION.
I went to Exodus 5 for the BIG QUESTION. When did Moses take the people out of Egypt? If I could find out the “when,” I could find out the “who.”
According to Mr. Klassen, it was on April 15th, 1462 BC, which in almost all Egyptian dating systems puts Thutmose III, “the greatest conqueror in Egyptian history” as Halley has stated, as the one who faced the adult Moses. (12)
That would mean that while Moses was in the desert all of those years, at least two pharaohs came and went, Thutmose II and the famous Hatshepsut.
So, Moses “met” two pharaohs. The pharaoh he saw as an adult wasn’t the pharaoh whose home he was taken into. This is almost certain no matter what dating system one uses.
Now comes the interesting part. Drum roll please. If you’ve waded through this far, you deserve some interesting stuff.
If Thutmose III was the man who had his heart hardened – who wouldn’t let the Hebrews go – then there is an interesting fact you should know.
There have been three major “Battles of Armageddon” in history. The second is recorded in 2 Kings 23: 29-30. It is generally regarded as having taken place in 609 B.C.
The third occurred in 1918. You can read about it here. (13)
It is something about the first “Battle of Armageddon” that is the interesting fact. It was fought and won by Thutmose III, Egypt’s “greatest conqueror.” You can read about the battle here. (14)
Interestingly, this first “Battle of Armageddon” is described as the first battle ever recorded in detail. Google “first recorded battle in history” and see what you find. (15)
I think that Thutmose III’s scribe exaggerated the victory a bit.
Embellished or not, Thutmose III is highly respected. Type in “The Napoleon of Egypt” into a Google word search and you will find something like this:
“Thutmose III The Napoleon of Ancient Egypt 1479 – 1425 BC. Some believe Rameses II was the greatest Egyptian ruler but this not true; he spent Egypt’s wealth on massive building projects where as Thutmose III actually created Egypt’s wealth. Thutmose III possessed the archetypal qualities of a great ruler.” (16)
He created the largest empire that Egypt had ever seen. (17)
Here is where I take a leap. I think, unlike most scholars, that Thutmose III was the pharaoh that hardened his heart and would not let the Hebrews go.
Why do I think this? Well, it fits Mr. Klassen’s Calendarized Study Bible perfectly.
Mr. Klassen puts 80 years between the birth of Moses and his taking of the Hebrews out of Egypt. Eighty is a match with the Bible.
This is not my only reason.
If you were God, who would you have Moses face? I’m not God and I don’t know but I’ll take a guess. I think God would choose the greatest conquering pharaoh of all time. (I’ll get comments on this statement and I welcome them.)
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Thutmose III fought and won the first recorded battle in history.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Thutmose III was the winning leader of the first battle of Armageddon.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that two men who spent their entire lives working on dating systems came up with dates that would put Thutmose III in the important role of the pharaoh of the exodus.
Mr. Klassen isn’t the only one whose dates fit Thutmose III.
Have you heard of J.R. Church? He worked his entire life on a dating system. He is one of my favorite Bible teachers who specialized in Bible prophecy. He died last year.
The last book that he wrote, Daniel Reveals The Bloodline of the Anti-Christ, J.R. has a timeline in it (in the back). It is very elaborate but doesn’t mention the Egyptian pharaohs. You can get more info on J.R.’s book here.
He put the date for the exodus at 1492/1491 on Nisan 15. This date puts Thutmose III closer to the adult Moses than the other three major possibilities.
Did I mention that Thutmose III was the first pharaoh called Pharaoh? (18) It means “Great House.”
To see a good picture of Thutmose III, you can go here. (19)
After a study like this, I have many questions, but a main one.
Why haven’t those who’ve studied these things, the real scholars, come to the same conclusion? Maybe I’m missing something and would be glad to hear it from any of you.
There are many speculations. There are a few You Tube videos that identify “Firoun” as the pharaoh during “Moses time.”
I looked at the list of all pharaohs known from the 1st to the 31st dynasty and saw no name that was close to Firoun. Maybe I missed it, but I looked twice and didn’t see it. The closest thing I could find relating to Egyptian pharaohs is the word firon. (20)
In my short study, I didn’t find anyone else who had narrowed it to Thutmose III. I’m sure there are others out there who have had the same thought. If you find one, please let me know.
I didn’t go that in depth, but I did find a source that narrows the possibility down to 2, Thutmose III being one of them. (21)
There you have it; a theory from a curious person.
If you are ever in Cairo, stop and see the mummy of Thutmose III and I think you will be facing the man who spoke with a grown Moses.
If you want to save yourself the time and air fare check here. (22) You see, Thutmose III’s mummy was damaged by grave robbers. It was “so ruined that later mummy makers used wooden splints tied to what was left of the body to reinforce it.” (23)
Lastly, there is another Battle of Armageddon coming. It’s referenced in Rev. 16:16.
But, that’s a subject for another time.
Now, if I can only find my lost Bible…
Chris Reimers (24)
P.S. I could have saved myself some time by Googling “Thutmose III and the exodus.” But then I wouldn’t have learned anything. I did the google search as a final check as soon as I finished this draft. I found one extensive study that agreed with me. (25) Scanning it I didn’t see the link with Megiddo, however. And I didn’t see J. R. Church or Mr. Klassen mentioned. Their dating systems helped me form my conclusions.
I’m glad I did my own work, though it is not as extensive as the only one I could find with the same conclusion at which I arrived. Steve Rudd feels that the evidence is overwhelming that Thutmose III was the pharaoh of the exodus. Although someone has been here before, I’ve enjoyed a great journey and maybe added a jot or tittle. Click here to see Mr. Rudd’s work and see a better picture of Thutmose III.
CR
NOTES:
(1) Halley’s Handbook, 1965 Ed. pg. 113
(2) Ibidem
(3) Ibid
(4) Ib
(5) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III
(6) Halley’s Handbook 1965 Ed. pg. 112
(7) Ibidem
(8) Ibid
(9) Ibid pg. 113
(10) The Klassen Calendarized Study Bible, 1982 ed.
(11) Ibidem pg. 74
(12) Ibid pg. 90
(13) http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/1120670
(14) http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/egyptmilitary/qt/070607Megiddo.htm
(15) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_(15th_century_BC)
(16) Google search for “Napoleon of Egypt” on April 4, 2024
(17) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III
(18) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh
(19) http://www.flickr.com/photos/ascarr/7034595625
(20) http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Firon
(21) http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/moses_pharaoh.htm
(22) http://ancientegyptia.tripod.com/id11.html
(23) http://www.mummytombs.com/egypt/pharaohmummies.htm
(24) Proverbs 3:5-6
(25) http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-date-1440bc.htm
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After-note:
It is July 27th, 2013. I am looking at a more recent edition of Halley’s Handbook, published in 2000. In this version, Merneptah (1236) is not a possibility for being the Pharaoh that Moses saw. Here is a quote from the 2000 edition:
“On his stela he (Merneptah) mentions having defeated Israel – ‘Israel is laid waste, his seed is not’ – indicating that Israel was already in the land of Canaan.”
Thus, the two editions do not agree.
They do agree that Amenhotep II is a possible candidate for the pharaoh whom Moses saw.
Rameses II is mentioned in the first 1965 edition as being a possibility of being the pharaoh Moses was raised under. The 2000 edition states “Some scholars consider him to be the pharaoh of the Exodus.”
In the 2000 edition, Thutmose III is “thought to be one of the oppressors of Israel.”
Despite what wiki states about Rameses II being the greatest pharaoh in history, both versions of Halley’s Handbook states that Thutmose III was the greatest.
Here are two sources that agree:
Was this ancient Egypt’s greatest military leader? (National Geographic)
(I saw this first in Mar. 2020. As far as I can tell, it was posted in 2016. My original post was put up in 2012. There are a few other articles and videos which have been posted after my post.)
“Thutmose III reigned from 1479 BCE to 1425 BCE according to the Low Chronology of Ancient Egypt.” This wiki date fits not only both Halley’s Handbooks that I have, but also the Bible that I feature in this post (April 15, 1462 B..C.).
Most Biblical sources put the date near this for good reason. The 2000 edition pictured here makes a case for 1446 B.C. It has good reason. It states:
“Since Solomon began to rule in 970 B.C. (Mr. Klassen puts the date at 983 B.C.) the fourth year of his reign would be 966 B.C. The text says that the Exodus from Egypt took place 480 years before this; that gives 1446 B.C.as the approximated dated of the Exodus.”
This is how Mr. Klassen gets his date of 1462. Either way, the dates correspond with the wiki dates on Thutmose III.
Is wiki the ultimate source? Of course it isn’t. The Bible is our guide and God chooses not to identify, specifically, the pharaohs during the birth of Moses and during the time of the Exodus. Therefore, we must speculate. That is what I have done here.
If you are interested, you can come to your own conclusions. The above post shares mine.
God’s blessings…
CR
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